ThoughtfulChaos

Hmm. Came from Sambhar Mafia. What you say is perfectly true... I'd say: Don't even mention/link those fake blogs or name them. Their importance is based on links and hits, which would be zero as long as no one refers to those...

IPMM just seems to be talking out of their arse, is there a law banning free speech, if there is, they shud be sueing the media, inc. newspapers and news channels. Also, even if there exists a legal way of doing this, am sure blogspot is hosted outside india, does this qualify as a crime??

"Be warned, your telephone numbers, physical addresses thereon, login details, network access mechanisms have all been documented."
This is freaking hilarious, gross intrussion of ones' privacy, IPMM should be taken to court for this.
Will be very intresting to see how this turns up.

cheers
JhQuest

IPMM just seems to be talking out of their arse, is there a law banning free speech, if there is, they shud be sueing the media, inc. newspapers and news channels. Also, even if there exists a legal way of doing this, am sure blogspot is hosted outside india, does this qualify as a crime??

"Be warned, your telephone numbers, physical addresses thereon, login details, network access mechanisms have all been documented."
This is freaking hilarious, gross intrussion of ones' privacy, IPMM should be taken to court for this.
Will be very intresting to see how this turns up.

cheers
JhQuest

Why give any google rank to those obvious plants?

Agree with you... IIPM has a long history of idiocy to its credit.

hi guys, just posting a reply i’d left on rashmi’s site. hope it helps. regards and wishes, andrew

hi rashmi, i am a current student at iipm and i have read jammag, your site, other blogs and frankly, i feel you have given very biased comments from your side about iipm.

i have also heard from an iipm faculty that even your firm has received a legal court notice about this case. somehow, i appreciated that a lot because the reality is, not only iipm students across india, but even our alumnii is pretty convinced about you have not researched the truth about iipm. we’ve been here for an year and we really know the amount of effort that iipm takes. but despite iipm having such a massive effort on ensuring the highest quality of academics and infrastructure and placements (and of course, despite daring to think beyond…; a statement which peeves of many from a particular bunch of institutes) a very one-sided viewpoint from you and some other bloggers - some of whom are iim passouts - seem steeped in blogging utterly wrong information. all you need to do is to walk in yourself to any iipm campus and ask any student about what is iipm.
frankly, have you personally visited any iipm campus and on the campus talked to faculty or student? you yourself would accept you personally have never visited any iipm campus. i repeat “on the campus” because you have never done that yourself. it seems that your junior journalist - who might have been part time - has gone really overboard with inexperience in journalism.
further, if there is an institute that dares to think beyond iims, u of course would have read the various news articles from iipm where iipm actually extolls the virtues of iims being there and being benchmarks in management. show me one article where any iipm faculty has said that iims are bad. the fact is that we are really thankful there are institutes like iims that are world benchmarks. if iipm cannot dare to think beyond the iims, what is the information being passed out to us. never dare? that seems one-sided. at least for once, do not be so one sided.
and seriously, at least now, please do visit any campus and on the campus talk to faculty and students instead of just keeping on referring to blogs and emails, which anyways have no credibily (not even this post should be taken for granted, pleas confirm yourself).
because finally it’s not about a war where you believe you are fighting against iipm, it’s about realizing that there is an institution that at least is contributing with a lot of sincere and dedicated effort to studentss and corporations. that is why the confidence in my statement that you yourself should come to any campus and talk to any student on the campus.
do not please have such a one sided viewpoint. i (and my friends) have failed to understand the reason why your article and other viewpoints are so one sided.

i am sure your journalistic standards would prevail.

Regards
andrew

just for records, i had replied to mridula on another site. again, adding the reply out here so that it could assist in your post debate. regards and thanks.

dear mridula, your questions are logical and i hope i can give answers to them; though it might not be the official one. here goes.

your first question is, why does iipm advertise full page ads and iims do not. there could be two straightforward reasons to the same as i see them. one is that iipm has seven branches across india compared to other institutes that have only one branch and need to advertise only once. iipm also has two sessions per year, that could further double up the already seven multiple on the ads (making it 14 times). and compared to the perception premium that fms or xlri might already have, on which i would not be able to put a figure, but a figure of double could be at least figuratively placed, making the number of ads to be at least 28 timesin a year.

if you additionally add the fact that iipm has to advertise for its bba programs also, apart from the mba programs (even tho many ads carry both together) now that would amount to almost one ad every two weeks throughout the year. now i really don’t know the number of times the iipm ad has come out - i really have not counted - but it is safe to say that my insti would be advertising around this average. that’s the first reason.

secondly, you ask that if an institute were providing such wonderful placements, students must be falling over each other to join it is your second question. i should say that that happens across iipm campuses. at the same time i should also clearly mention that while only around 40000 apply to iipm entrance exams, almost 3 lakh plus apply to iims, thus there is a huge difference between the application numbers between iims and iipm, and that difference is accepted by me. just for calculations (to be honest, not precisely, but just approximately) i was just aggregating the no of students in all the campuses in mba and bba programmes; the total students in all the seven campuses of iipm would be approx equal to 8000 plus. but you’ll have to factor in the fact that around 25% are bba students; still you’llhave a humongous 6000 or so mba. you’ll again have to factor in the fact that there are two batches etc etc.

now for your query on placements, it is a fact that around 25%of the batch doesn’t apply for placements. now i really don’t know how you would take it but i didn’t believe the figure myself till i became part of the placement coordination committee (i’m not the secretary tho, that’s brijesh prasad under a.sharma). almost 25% of the batch are sons and daughters of businessmen or people who wish to start their own businesses or people who are laterally placed before the last term starts. if one were to go by the companies that came this year, from sap, to oracle, to max, to a.paints and so on so forth, i can tell you this much that at least as far as my investigations could reveal, placements were really good. in one of my posts, you would’ve noticed that i wrote about rashmi not doing correct journalism. for example, one of her statements was that students got into hln and not HLL. she did not mention that hln (or hindustan levers network) is a division of HLL (hindustan levers limited) and that it was actually HLL that recruited the students? if an iipm student got into the nescafe division of nestle, would it be wrong to write that the student has been recruited by nestle. or should one keep writing only nescafe (which might sound a little inane)?

that is why i was somehow confused on why did rashmi write each and every statement so negatively. since i have been here, i have had almost around 15 ivy league professors who have come to iipm campuses and have taken seminars at iipm. when our professors met rashmi at her office and asked her why she wrote, apart from other false statements, another false statement that no such professor had come over to iipm, she responded that these professors only took seminars with iipm students and not sessions (??!!??!!)
you can ask rashmi the truth behind this statement of mine and if she really is honest, she won’t be able to deny even one part of this statement as our professor provided us all the details of his meeting with her that happened in front of three other people, including another journalist that rashmi knows herself.

the fact is, rashmi knows she has lied on more parts than one. and that is something that is so bad of a person who says she is a journalist.
she writes that there is no wi-fi in any of iipm campuses and that no student has any laptop. i believe her part-time journalist pulled a fast one on rashmi herself (because when i see her blogs, she sounds sensible; that is why i am really surprised she wrote this). all students have laptops provided by iipm and all students have access to wi-fi in all our campuses.
that is why i requested rashmi to come herself to the campus and ask any student (any student) whether the student has a laptop or whether the campus has or doesn’t have a wi-fi connection. if rashmi were to do that, i am so sure she would withdraw her own comments because that is truly not journalism.

mridula, coming to your final point where you say that institutes like iit kanpur or iims would not bat an eyelid if blogs or media were to write anything about them. if you write something about iit kanpur, the guys there are not going to bat an eyelid. neither would iipm bat an eyelid. but how would iit kanpur professors react if some journalist were to hire part-time journalists, take out a print journal (jammag is a print journal) and write false things about iit kanpur.

to quote the case of iit kanpur, you can ask any of the professors of iit kanpur how they jumped up at journalists when their center for enterprise technology (cet), a private company started by iit kanpur in collaboration with EL-NET (go ahead, ask IIT Kanpur professors, they won’t be able to deny even one word of it) left thousands of students across india high and dry after eating away a lot of their money. journalists wrote about how iit kanpur had usurped money of thousands of students. iit kanpur went up in arms agains many such net sites and journalists claiming that it was EL-NET that cheated students and that iit kanpur was just the testing and certifying agency.

and of course, how can one forget how iims lobbied against the media when our dear education minister wanted to control the admission system in each iim. did not the iims raise their hackles then? did not the iims also get really anti-media when the media had reported how iims internal staff had leaked the CAT papers? well, yes, the media did report wrongly both times. But mridula, that proves that even the iims and iits do get hassled when wrong reporting is done by media and of course others.

the example i am quoting is for telling you that it’s not about iit kanpur or iim or iipm, but about a journalist writing false things (or being given false articles by her hired hands). if there were something that could be attempted, it could be a truthful debate rather than blog slur which is what i feel is neither ineffective nor adequate.

regards and wishes,

andrew

i agree with all u guys. i am an ex-student an a current employee of planman consulting. arindham choudhary i the biggest fucker u will ever meet. the son of a bitch makes us write papers on his books n we have to write thesis so that he can publish them. even the degeree is fake .... it is a diploma not recognised by anyne but iipm . i didnot even get a decent job so i joined planman like so many of my collegues. the recently held MLTR concert is the best example of what he does. we have an inhouse (so called) social organisation, the GIDF. after the concert he has made it an indipendent entity now our full time job is to transfer all the earnings from the concert to GIDF so the bhen ka lauda can buy another porche.

as far as the thesis goes ... i submitted one picked up from a pal from IIM-A. he got a A+ grade whereas Arindham thought it was bullshit n i failed .. why?? because i copyrighted it(ofcourse with permission of my friend) n the bhosda couldnot sell it. the second time i picked one from a friend in JBIMS. same results coz this time too filed for a copyright. the same sebnario occured with 72 of us just because we decided to copyright our work n he couldn't publish it in is name.

i will keep u posted on inside stories..... look out for the scoop.

Its clear that only confirmed morons have joined IIPM in the past and there will be many confirmed morons who will join IIPM in the future. No amount of blogging can save any moron from joining IIPM. So IIPM management have actually proved that (a) they are morons when they sued and protested. (b) they don’t know that they are morons and need bloggers to tell them that. (c) they don’t know that their students are morons and need bloggers to tell them that.

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